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CodePlex subverts our desires

I am really behind the curve on this but I was very excited when I heard that CodePlex is now supporting Subversion for source code control. After reading more closely it appears that they are merely providing bridgeware that allows you to use TortoiseSVN as a front end to CodePlex's Team Foundation Server.

The number one new feature request from users is for CodePlex to support Subversion.  Specifically what users are telling us they want is the features and experience they get when using TortoiseSVN as a source control client.  It is important to us on the CodePlex team to provide our users the features they want and need to have the best experience possible, and so we will soon be offering support for using TortoiseSVN with CodePlex.

How did their users' desire to have CodePlex add support for Subversion as a source code repository get subverted into what is essentially a widget that makes TFS look like Subversion. The real benefit of Subversion is not that there are great user interfaces for it like TortoiseSVN (but it doesn't hurt.)  It is that Subversion is a open source platform for changing and sharing source code that is moving and growing and changing with the desires of the community. Subversion has become pretty much a defacto standard for new development because they listen to what their users have to say and fill a need.

What if the effort that went into building a bridge that converts SVN commands to TFS commands went towards supporting the best of breed that the community has to offer. If CodePlex wants to be the community nexus of open source development on the Microsoft platform they should do a better job adopting what the community wants. Otherwise people are just moving down the road to places that just give Subversion away or to  Google Code which currently has 605 projects tagged with C# vs. the 355 at CodePlex.

Personally I would love to see the effort wasted on the TFS to SVN bridge be directed to building a better library for integrating between .Net and Subversion. The current state of the .Net library support for Subversion is quite fragmented and thin. We have Svn.NET and SubversionSharp which seem to be thin layers over PInvoking to the Subversion C bindings. Apparently the Ankh project also has NSvn but that is not available on its own and undocumented. Anyone out there using Subversion from .Net?

Posted: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:47 AM by kmiller
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Jason Meridth said:

A good tutorial on how to hook SvnBridge for CodePlex (via Scott Hanselman):http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HowToUseTheSVNBridgeToGetTortoiseSVNWorkingWithCod\

ePlex.aspx

I had issues with it, but hopefully it has gotten better since then.

and also have you checked out SvnRepository.com?

2GB, unlimited users, unlimited repositories for $7/mo.

# November 6, 2007 7:49 PM

Joshua Flanagan said:

Actually, I'm pretty happy with the direction they chose. They created something new to give back to the community and further expand the subversion ecosystem.

The bridge doesn't just work with CodePlex - it works with other TFS repositories as well.

So now developers (including me) that work in shops that have standardized on TFS can use tools like TortoiseSVN and pretend we're on Subversion.

I believe they did give the community want they want - the Subversion experience.

Really, why do you even care what is on the server? How do you KNOW that Google Code is running the same version of Subversion on their servers that you run on yours? They could be running some custom SvnBridgeToGMail for all you know.

# November 7, 2007 9:13 AM

kmiller said:

Jason, thanks for the link.

Joshua,

I am not sure their intent was to better the Subversion ecosystem but to prop up the TFS by leveraging the myriad of subversion front-ends.

I actually do care what is on the server. I want to understand it, trust it and depend on it.

We should not create new technology simply because the standard is not Microsoft. If there is a good tool out there let's embrace it and move on.

Please Microsoft don't make me waste time to install and configure your proprietary toolset in order to be able to contribute to your community.

# November 8, 2007 7:21 PM